Der Hardware-Laberthread Vol. 2

Geil, das ROG Maximus Z690 Hero eingebaut mit 2x16 GB Ram, Memory Lines A1, A2, und B1 geben Fehler 55 raus, in Memory Line B2 funktioniert ein einzelner Ram Riegel problemlos. Es ist also immerhin kein Ram Riegel defekt und es kann nur am Board liegen.

In B1 und B2 parallel funktionieren die Ram Riegel auch, aber das ist nicht ideal, die müssen in A2 und B2 funktionieren, aber das gibt immer Fehler 55 aus.

Bios Update gemacht, Memory Lines geprüft ob die sauber sind, XMP im Bios auf XMP2 gestellt, CMOS Reset, CPU noch mal neu aufgesetzt..alles bringt keine Besserung, also ist das Board wohl defekt, oder hat wer ne Idee?)

 

Was ist denn so die normale Verfallsrate für eine Laptopbatterie? Ich habe meine Laptop im Juli gekauft und laut Win10 battery report hat sich die Maximalkapazität schon um 50% auf 21,648 mWh verringert? Ist das normal?

 

hört sich so an, als ob das Mainboard defekt ist

 

Kommt darauf an, wie gut man damit umgeht. Hälfte hört sich aber schon arg an.

 

Ich fürchte dass ich schlecht damit umgehe . Was sind denn die groben "Do's und Don'ts"? Bleibt da als Alternative quasi nur das Austauschen der Batterie? (Wie viel kostet das ungefähr heutzutage?)

 

Welches Jahr haben wir? Hab gerade Werbung von Alternate gesehen f0r eine RTX 2060 Super. Nur 700 €.

 

Joah, ist schon mit der Post raus.

 

Das einzige was man beachten sollte ist halt nicht den Akku immer komplett leer laufen zu lassen und nicht unnötig auf 100% Ladung halten. Idealerweise sollte der Akku möglichst immer zwischen 20 und 80% stehen.
Laptop generell seltener nutzen und keine hohe Lasten erzeugen ist meist eher weniger umsetzbar.

 

Was auch hilfreich ist.
Laptop bei nichtbenutzung abschalten und vom netzteil trennen.

Läuft aber eigentlich unter dem "nicht auf 100% Ladung" halten tip.
Ist aber eine sehr konkrete handlungsempfehlung

 

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Was zum Teufel hat sich AMD bei dieser Karte gedacht?

 

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Edit: Man stelle sich vor, der Markt wäre nicht komplett "kaputt" (eigentlich ist natürlich das Gegenteil der Fall, er funktioniert prima) und diese Karte würde sich mit der GTX 1050 Ti battlen, im Preisbereich um 100 bis 120 €.

Der Name ist nur völlig daneben. 6300 XT wäre vielleicht passend.

Die ist langsamer als die 5500 XT, die auch immerhin 8 GB Speicher hatte.

 

Ein grauenhaft schlechtes Produkt. Schlimmer als alles was Nvidia zuletzt getrieben hat.

 

Schlimmer als die GT 1030?

 

Dein Bildlink funktioniert nicht

 

OT. Die funktionieren so gut wie nie. Wieso packt man nicht einfach direkt den Link rein?

 

Wenn man den Beitrag zitiert lädt es

 

Würde ich schon sagen, weil die GT 1030 für ihren gedachten Zweck immerhin geeignet ist. Mehr ist immer besser, auch in dem Fall. Und der Neupreis einer GT 1030 ist natürlich auch Banane, aber er entspricht zumindest eher dem was man in der aktuellen Situation erwarten kann als bei der 6500 XT, die sogar schlechter ausgestattet ist als eine bald 5 Jahre alte RX 550 (quasi die Konkurrenz zur GT 1030 damals). Die RX 550 gab es nämlich mit 4GB und die hatte 128bit bzw. 8 Lanes! Achja und halb so viel Strom brauchte sie auch noch, sodass kein zusätzlicher 6/8pin nötig war und man diese Karte in nahezu jeden Office Rechner stecken konnte, ohne einen Molex Adapter o.ä. verwenden zu müssen, weil diese Office Netzteile meistens keine separaten 6/8pins haben.

Ich sach ja nur...

 

Noch dazu: wieso nutzt man nicht einfach einen vernünftigen Hoster...

 

Das Bild war von Reddit. Was kann ich denn bitte dafür, dass dieses schäbige Forum im Jahre 2022 keine simplen Bildlinks ordnungsgemäß darstellen kann? Bei mir wird das Bild jedenfalls angezeigt.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...ming-4gb-vram-is-not-enough-for-todays-games/

 

Das liegt nicht am Forum.

 

Find ich auch.

Perfide ist ja, dass die FW von deinem Laufwerk von der Eingelegten original Blu-Ray (und nicht etwa übers Netz oder so) so gepatcht wird, das Wiedergabe oder Schnelle Kopie-Hacks deaktiviert sind, und ein Rückschritt auf alte FW nicht möglich ist.


Generell würde ich mir wünschen, dass man im Unterhaltungsbereich das Urheberrecht einfach streicht.

Gründe:
- Anwälte die Abmahnen sind Maden im Rechtssystem die den Steuerzahler jährlich Millionen Kosten (weil der Ja Behörden und Richter zahlen muss, die sich mit dem Scheiss beschäftigen)
- Die Contentmafia zahlt hier eh kaum Steuern (Disney z.b. zahlt in der EU 50€ für jede Gewinn-Million)
- Mit dem Streaming als Service lässt sich ausrechend Geld verdienen


Sich unbequem Filme/Musik/Serien auf das eigene NAS zu schauffeln, oder XX€ für Streaming ausgeben kann dann jeder selbst entscheiden.

 

War tatsächlich das MB..das neue funktioniert direkt

...Qualitätsware

 

Ich bin mir in der Tat sogar sicher, die RTX 3050 wird (nicht zuletzt wegen DLSS) dagegen tatsächlich richtig gut aussehen ^^
Das war vermutlich ein wirklich guter Move selbiger 8Gb zu spendieren.
Wird sich aber vermutlich am Markt deutlich teurer verkaufen....
Mit 6GB WÄRE die am Laptop der Hit geworden. So wird sie (etwas zu unrecht) belächelt.

Nein das ist nicht normal. Das kann eigentlich in so kurzer Zeit kaum passieren außer du hättest den Akku mehrfach in den 0% Tiefentladungszustand gebracht.
Da würd ich einfach mal eine Mail an den Hersteller oder den Verkäufer schreiben und deren Antwort abwarten.

P.s. Viele Laptops bieten inzwischen entweder per BIOS oder per Controll Center Software an, die Maximale Aufladung auf 60% o.Ä. zu beschränken um den Akku zu schonen.

 

Macht das wirklich so viel aus? (Oder bin ich wirklich so doof und das ist Allgemeinwissen? Nicht dass ich IT technisch beschlagt wäre, aber das war mir nicht wirklich bewusst).

 

Der Witz ist, wenn man die Karte richtig eingestellt kriegt und ein Spiel nicht zu viel über den PCIe-Port schieben will, kann das Ding sogar ganz brauchbar sein, God of War in 1080p medium zB geht ganz ordentlich Aber gerade für das vermutlich weniger technikaffine Zielpublikum und den breiten Spielemarkt ist die Karte einfach nur dämlich verkrüppelt.

Das Ding rangiert also von "kann eine Series S überholen (die rendert ja teils auch nur in ~900p)" bis hin zu "stürzt unspielbar ab". Und ist natürlich wie üblich viel zu teuer, aber gut, daran wird man sich wohl gewöhnen müssen

 

AHA! Hast du? Mehrfach?
Jo das kann schief gehen. Gilt auch für Smartphones.
Ich glaube bei AA Batterien/Akkus ist es nicht so schlimm wie bei manch modernen Li/Ionen Akkus.
Bei Auto Batterien isses ja (aus anderen Gründen) glaub auch nicht so förderlich.

 

Bei modernen Akkus sollte man die Tiefenentladung tunlichst vermeiden, das kann richtig Kapazität kosten. Wobei eine vernünftige Ladeelektronik eine echte Tiefenentladung eh verhindern sollte.

 

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Korrekt.

 

Kurz bevor die Probleme aufgetreten sind . War mir wirklich nicht bewusst, dass das gleich solche Konsequenzen haben kann. Werde wohl nen neuen Akku brauchen .

 

Ja, jetzt wirds auch nicht mehr angezeigt. Zum Zeitpunkt des rumgemeckers hier war das BIld bei mir definitiv noch sichtbar und ich werde wohl kaum unter Hallus leiden und mir irgendetwas einbilden

Ist auch scheißegal jetzt...

 

God of War ist allerdings auch ein sehr guter Port. Das wird man nicht von jedem Spiel erwarten können und es ist unendlich ätzend wenn man mit einer 350-400€ Karte genug Leistung für mittlere bis hohe Einstellungen in 1080p hätte, aber trotzdem die Texturen auf ein Minimum runterdrehen muss weil AMD dringend ein paar Cent pro Karte einsparen musste... Man wird sich vielleicht an die Preise gewöhnen müssen, aber solche Müllprodukte haben jede Verachtung verdient die selbst diverse Hardwaremagazine nicht mehr zurückhalten konnten. Vielleicht noch ein, zwei iGPU Generationen und die iGPUs stehen besser da als die 6500 XT...

Wenn man daher schon zu viel bezahlt führt imho kein Weg mehr an einer RTX Karte vorbei, nicht nur wegen DLSS, sondern weil nvidia kurioserweise ausgerechnet im unteren Leistungssegment die bessere Ausstattung anbietet als AMD. Umso lustiger wird es falls nvidia auch noch eine 4GB Variante der 3050 anbietet. Ich weiß nicht was dran ist, but bear with me: Techpowerup listet die 3050 4GB mit Release am 27. Januar und 16 Lanes! Das kann natürlich falsch sein, wäre aber der Hammer, weil die Karte damit sogar auf uralten PCIe 2.0 Boards besser da stehen würde als die 6500 XT auf PCIe 3.0 Boards. (und bei PCIe 4.0 wäre sie on par)

Time will tell... Unterhaltsam wäre es allemal.

 

Was durchaus möglich ist.

GOD of War in 1080p/orginal

Brandneue Hardware i5 12600K/RX 6500 XT...PCI-E 4.0
https://ibb.co/6tFLmKs

gegen uralt Hardware i7 3930K/GTX 980...PCI-E 2.0
https://ibb.co/HGhy8pR

Ich glaub jetzt mal nicht, daß die RTX 3050 langsamer als eine alte GTX 980 (2014) ist.

 

Selbst wenn dir das OS "Akku 0%" anzeigt, sind die Zellen nicht tiefenentladen. Die Ladeopionen gibts im Thinkpad seit über 15 Jahren.

Solltest du mal eine Zelle unter Mindestspannung entladen, dann "brickt"dir das Batteriemanagement in der Regel den ganzen Akku.
Den kann man dann weder Laden noch entladen.

 

Klar Anzeige ist das eine, aber wenn du den Laptop halt bswp. bis zur Abschaltung betreibst und dann ggf. nicht halbwegs zeitnah auflädst ist halt mit Pech das Kind in den Brunnen gefallen.
Ich glaube auch leider nicht, dass hier jeder Hersteller die gleichen Sicherheitsmaßnahmen fährt wie Lenovo bei den Thinkpads.

Ich weiß aus Erfahrung, das auch heute noch längst nicht jedes aktuelle Laptop Modell diese 60% Option bietet. Gilt selbst für Geräte ab 800€ Aufwärts.

 

Das glaube ich schon. Ohne BMS kann man Li-Ion sowieso nicht betreiben. Lenovo macht den Chip dafür auch nicht selber.

Auf 0% entladen und dann liegen lassen ist natürlich denkbar schlecht für den Akku.

 

Ich weiß es nicht genau was Lenovo für Grenzen bei dem BMS bestellt, aber bei den billigsten "Ladechips" ist der Cut-Off für eine LiPo/LiIon Zelle bei ca. 3 Volt, also richtung 5-10% "echte" restkapazität. Wenn die Spannung einer Zelle unter 3 Volt fällt, dann gibt der Akku insgesamt 0V raus.

Sehr idealisiert:


Wenn das Batteriemanagement "Ausmacht" dann haste noch ~10% echte Restkapazität.

Was haben Lipo/LiIon für selbstentladung? 10% (also nicht 10% von 100% sondern 10% von 10%..) im Jahr? dann haste noch 9%... und so weiter.

 

Die Selbstentladung von hängt der Zellchemie ab. Alles unter 2,5 V ist jedenfalls pures Gift, unter 1,5 V ist die Zelle komplett hinüber. Den Cutoff bei 3 V zu machen, ist daher schon schlau. So hat man eine gewisse Reserve bis zu den 2,5 V.

 

Man kann die Sache mit der 6500XT übrigens noch ein klein wenig absurder werden lassen, wenn man hinzuzieht, dass es von Seiten Nvidia tatsächlich eine neue low-end GPU gibt, die einen ähnlichen Preisbereich abdeckt. Nur nicht im Gaming-Bereich, sondern im Workstation Bereich, in der Quadro-Linie.
Die Nvidia T600 ist eine 4GB GDDR6, 128 bit Speicherbus, 40 Watt, PCIe 3.0 x16 -Karte mit H.264 und HVEC Encodern auf Basis des 1650-Chips in Kombination mit RTX-Architektur (aber ohne Tensor-Kerne). Das Teil holt damit aus seinen 40 Watt Gaming-Performance zwischen einer 1050ti und einer 1650, braucht keinen separaten Stromanschluss, ist zukunftssicher was Encoding und Decoding angeht und ist noch immer uninteressant für Mining... und *Trommelwirbel* kostet aktuell weniger als eine 1050ti.
Einziges Problem ist die deutlich nicht für Gaming ausgelegte Kühllösung, an der man vermutlich noch etwas schrauben müsste, wenn man das Ding regelmäßig unter hohe Last bringen wollte. Davon abgesehen und wenn man die geringere Performance verkraften kann, ist eine T600 fast ein besserer Deal in Sachen Preis/Leistung als eine 6500XT, besonders für ältere Rechner, Office-Rechner mit nur gelegentlichen Gaming-Ambitionen und E-Sports-Titel.